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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://cookingupastory.com/are-you-local-or-organic-part-two/comment-page-1#comment-41079</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After opening up farmers markets all throughout Southern California I have had a complete 180 degree turn on the local versus organic opinion.  Working with small growers around the country and the state, I’m endeared to the small farming movement. I&#039;ve been suprised to find that over the last year the bottom dropped out of my commitment to buy strictly &quot;local&quot;.  

Local food is a really great way of understanding where food comes from, but does little or nothing in assessing the environmental impact of food production. 

The push for local food was birthed out of the concept that food should be cultivated, transported, and consumed responsibility.  Indeed, this is at the heart of an ideal food system.  The problem with local,  is that the target of food miles and proximity shapes the dialogue about our food system in a dangerous way that skips over more pressing problems.  It’s only a matter of time until large scale companies (we’re already seeing this with Lay’s “Local” potato chips), take this concept of local and deconstruct it from it’s true intentions.

Making organic the standard method of operating needs special attention only because that deals closest with the manner in which food is produced.  Yes, local food emphasizes transportation, but the majority of carbon and resource related concerns occur ON the farm, and are expressed by deteriorating water and air quality with special attention to soil quality (very, very special attention to soil!).  Farm yields will continually go down and American small and medium sized farms will fail if soil quality continues to deplete at it’s current rate. 

Non-organic methods will inevitably indebt American small farmers to GMO&#039;s and Monsanto-esq technology, by forcing our small farmers into using genetically modified crops in order to supplement environmental degradation of soil and water (or lack thereof).  We need a consumer backed pushed for organic to be the basic operating procedure of American farming and food production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After opening up farmers markets all throughout Southern California I have had a complete 180 degree turn on the local versus organic opinion.  Working with small growers around the country and the state, I’m endeared to the small farming movement. I&#8217;ve been suprised to find that over the last year the bottom dropped out of my commitment to buy strictly &#8220;local&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Local food is a really great way of understanding where food comes from, but does little or nothing in assessing the environmental impact of food production. </p>
<p>The push for local food was birthed out of the concept that food should be cultivated, transported, and consumed responsibility.  Indeed, this is at the heart of an ideal food system.  The problem with local,  is that the target of food miles and proximity shapes the dialogue about our food system in a dangerous way that skips over more pressing problems.  It’s only a matter of time until large scale companies (we’re already seeing this with Lay’s “Local” potato chips), take this concept of local and deconstruct it from it’s true intentions.</p>
<p>Making organic the standard method of operating needs special attention only because that deals closest with the manner in which food is produced.  Yes, local food emphasizes transportation, but the majority of carbon and resource related concerns occur ON the farm, and are expressed by deteriorating water and air quality with special attention to soil quality (very, very special attention to soil!).  Farm yields will continually go down and American small and medium sized farms will fail if soil quality continues to deplete at it’s current rate. </p>
<p>Non-organic methods will inevitably indebt American small farmers to GMO&#8217;s and Monsanto-esq technology, by forcing our small farmers into using genetically modified crops in order to supplement environmental degradation of soil and water (or lack thereof).  We need a consumer backed pushed for organic to be the basic operating procedure of American farming and food production.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Bell</title>
		<link>http://cookingupastory.com/are-you-local-or-organic-part-two/comment-page-1#comment-40626</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having now made kale strudel, kale lasagne, cream of kale soup, braised kale w/bacon, stir-fried kale, given kale to every one I know more than once, I too can fully support the hoop house tomato movement, especially here in Portland where the growing season for &#039;maters is perilously short. A little hoop house w/no heating element in a mild but damp and grey climate generates an enormous amount of  heat. And we need that for good tomatoes here in Oregon, not Arkansas or Jersey or Oklahoma maybe...but I am okay with pushing the season here since I am really sick of paying whole foods $7 for a big heirloom tomato and getting some disappointingly mealy farmer&#039;s market &#039;maters.Tomatoes are a particularly troubling crop, tho&#039;, slave labor is right, so am trying to wean myself off those cherry sweets out of season as much as they brighten a grey drizzly day.

And please do know that I love greens, and turnips, and rutabagas, and all those cool weather crops, but cooking up huge amounts of them week after week can be challenging. Guess that&#039;s when you run to the pantry for those put-up summer delights. I have a friend in a CSA who is frightened of all those greens--she has a 5 year old and there is just so much a kid can take. 

Great articles, Heather...hope your garden overflows with deliciousness.
Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having now made kale strudel, kale lasagne, cream of kale soup, braised kale w/bacon, stir-fried kale, given kale to every one I know more than once, I too can fully support the hoop house tomato movement, especially here in Portland where the growing season for &#8216;maters is perilously short. A little hoop house w/no heating element in a mild but damp and grey climate generates an enormous amount of  heat. And we need that for good tomatoes here in Oregon, not Arkansas or Jersey or Oklahoma maybe&#8230;but I am okay with pushing the season here since I am really sick of paying whole foods $7 for a big heirloom tomato and getting some disappointingly mealy farmer&#8217;s market &#8216;maters.Tomatoes are a particularly troubling crop, tho&#8217;, slave labor is right, so am trying to wean myself off those cherry sweets out of season as much as they brighten a grey drizzly day.</p>
<p>And please do know that I love greens, and turnips, and rutabagas, and all those cool weather crops, but cooking up huge amounts of them week after week can be challenging. Guess that&#8217;s when you run to the pantry for those put-up summer delights. I have a friend in a CSA who is frightened of all those greens&#8211;she has a 5 year old and there is just so much a kid can take. </p>
<p>Great articles, Heather&#8230;hope your garden overflows with deliciousness.<br />
Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny @ Nourished Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://cookingupastory.com/are-you-local-or-organic-part-two/comment-page-1#comment-40621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny @ Nourished Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re quite fortunate that organic vs. local isn&#039;t an either or situation in our area.  My husband and I run a farmers market and, this year, we required all produce vendors to be certified Organic or certified naturally grown which helps to appease our client base.  Certified naturally grown is a really good option for those growers who operate according to organic standards but can&#039;t afford the licensing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re quite fortunate that organic vs. local isn&#8217;t an either or situation in our area.  My husband and I run a farmers market and, this year, we required all produce vendors to be certified Organic or certified naturally grown which helps to appease our client base.  Certified naturally grown is a really good option for those growers who operate according to organic standards but can&#8217;t afford the licensing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris at Lost Arts Kitchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris at Lost Arts Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of small farms can&#039;t label their produce organic because they find the certification process burdensome--either too costly and/or too much paperwork. Nevertheless, they still practice organic methods and sometimes even go &quot;beyond organic.&quot; And, don&#039;t be too bowled over by the OTA--they&#039;re a trade association much like any other, with professional marketeers who say what we want to hear without disclosing the full story. Organic agriculture--in particular, big industrial certified organic agriculture--depends upon a lot of petroleum inputs in the guise of cultivators and the like.  

That said, I buy local, organic food as much as I can. I do buy conventional from my neighborhood produce market, but usually only things like onions--never potatoes or soft fruits. While I do buy citrus, grown in California while it is in season, I do not buy fresh food out of season. Honestly, I don&#039;t miss fresh tomatoes in February. Hothouses growing tomatoes in New Jersey in the middle of winter would require a lot of energy--both heating and lighting. Kinda defeats the purpose of eating local. 

We need to consider a new way of eating--actually, an old way. Not just local, just seasonal, but in harmony with the seasons and in connection with those who produce/harvest our food. If you can actually talk with the not-certified-organic farmer about her farm management practices, you might learn that she&#039;s doing things just the way a gov&#039;ment certified farmer does things--maybe even with more care and fewer petroleum-based inputs. A mid-winter salad can still be delicious even it is is not composed of lettuce grown in Salinas Valley and packed in a incredibly process-intensive seven-layer plastic bag and a tomato grown with virtual slave labor in Florida or an energy-intensive hothouse in New Jersey.

I&#039;m glad people are talking about this...let&#039;s keep challenging ourselves to think, talk, and do more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of small farms can&#8217;t label their produce organic because they find the certification process burdensome&#8211;either too costly and/or too much paperwork. Nevertheless, they still practice organic methods and sometimes even go &#8220;beyond organic.&#8221; And, don&#8217;t be too bowled over by the OTA&#8211;they&#8217;re a trade association much like any other, with professional marketeers who say what we want to hear without disclosing the full story. Organic agriculture&#8211;in particular, big industrial certified organic agriculture&#8211;depends upon a lot of petroleum inputs in the guise of cultivators and the like.  </p>
<p>That said, I buy local, organic food as much as I can. I do buy conventional from my neighborhood produce market, but usually only things like onions&#8211;never potatoes or soft fruits. While I do buy citrus, grown in California while it is in season, I do not buy fresh food out of season. Honestly, I don&#8217;t miss fresh tomatoes in February. Hothouses growing tomatoes in New Jersey in the middle of winter would require a lot of energy&#8211;both heating and lighting. Kinda defeats the purpose of eating local. </p>
<p>We need to consider a new way of eating&#8211;actually, an old way. Not just local, just seasonal, but in harmony with the seasons and in connection with those who produce/harvest our food. If you can actually talk with the not-certified-organic farmer about her farm management practices, you might learn that she&#8217;s doing things just the way a gov&#8217;ment certified farmer does things&#8211;maybe even with more care and fewer petroleum-based inputs. A mid-winter salad can still be delicious even it is is not composed of lettuce grown in Salinas Valley and packed in a incredibly process-intensive seven-layer plastic bag and a tomato grown with virtual slave labor in Florida or an energy-intensive hothouse in New Jersey.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad people are talking about this&#8230;let&#8217;s keep challenging ourselves to think, talk, and do more.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Nourishment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Local Nourishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still working into all this local/organic/seasonal stuff. I have a sort of mental checklist I go through when making buying choices. First choice: local, organic, in season. The best of the best. I start at the Farmer&#039;s Market and my CSA box, making menus from what is available, but those choices can be pretty limited. 

I choose organic over local when shopping at a grocery store because I know the local conventional farmers, the GMO crops they grow and the pesticide load in my area. But I draw the line at international foods or long-haul foods like Hawaiian pineapple, bell peppers from Holland and grapes from Mexico even if they are organic. These foods will grow here (limited success on the pineapple, but we&#039;re working on it) in season, and sometimes patience is required. I&#039;d rather support local farmers if given the option.

And I must admit I&#039;d rather support a local conventional farmer in transition to organic than a mega-organic grower on the other side of the continent. But for most people, that&#039;s a load of research they&#039;d rather not do.

My first choices are always rooted in the philosophy of &quot;shaking the hand that feeds you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still working into all this local/organic/seasonal stuff. I have a sort of mental checklist I go through when making buying choices. First choice: local, organic, in season. The best of the best. I start at the Farmer&#8217;s Market and my CSA box, making menus from what is available, but those choices can be pretty limited. </p>
<p>I choose organic over local when shopping at a grocery store because I know the local conventional farmers, the GMO crops they grow and the pesticide load in my area. But I draw the line at international foods or long-haul foods like Hawaiian pineapple, bell peppers from Holland and grapes from Mexico even if they are organic. These foods will grow here (limited success on the pineapple, but we&#8217;re working on it) in season, and sometimes patience is required. I&#8217;d rather support local farmers if given the option.</p>
<p>And I must admit I&#8217;d rather support a local conventional farmer in transition to organic than a mega-organic grower on the other side of the continent. But for most people, that&#8217;s a load of research they&#8217;d rather not do.</p>
<p>My first choices are always rooted in the philosophy of &#8220;shaking the hand that feeds you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bruske</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bruske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, thanks so much for including my comments. You should know that just about every farmer growing things for the local market is already using hot houses or greenhouses or hoop houses--some sort of method to entend the season, or start seedlings earlier than what local conditions would normally allow. Growing a tomato to maturity in a &quot;hot house&quot; is merely an extension of what farmers are already doing by starting their seedlings indoors before transplanting them outdoors, all to produce tomatoes earlier that what the &quot;season&quot; would normally allow. Talk to any CSA grower and he will tell you how many of his customers are miserable in the spring because all they see is greens, greens and more greens. So farmers a shortening the season on greens, and trying to extend the season on tomatoes and pepper and squash--things customers want to see more of. If you inextricably couple &quot;local&quot; with &quot;seasonal only,&quot; you not only limit vastly the total number of calories farmers produce, but limit consumers in winter to only those things that can be stored or preserved. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like my rutabagas. But going to a local food system will require that more food be grown in greenhouses and that things be made available out of the normal seasons you are describing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, thanks so much for including my comments. You should know that just about every farmer growing things for the local market is already using hot houses or greenhouses or hoop houses&#8211;some sort of method to entend the season, or start seedlings earlier than what local conditions would normally allow. Growing a tomato to maturity in a &#8220;hot house&#8221; is merely an extension of what farmers are already doing by starting their seedlings indoors before transplanting them outdoors, all to produce tomatoes earlier that what the &#8220;season&#8221; would normally allow. Talk to any CSA grower and he will tell you how many of his customers are miserable in the spring because all they see is greens, greens and more greens. So farmers a shortening the season on greens, and trying to extend the season on tomatoes and pepper and squash&#8211;things customers want to see more of. If you inextricably couple &#8220;local&#8221; with &#8220;seasonal only,&#8221; you not only limit vastly the total number of calories farmers produce, but limit consumers in winter to only those things that can be stored or preserved. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like my rutabagas. But going to a local food system will require that more food be grown in greenhouses and that things be made available out of the normal seasons you are describing.</p>
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